Adam Eveleigh
2016-05-20 09:24:01 UTC
Hi odm,
I'm afraid I completely oppose this suggestion. I'm only a user, not a developer, but doesn't Xubuntu need to be as open to new users (from Windows and OS X, in particular) as possible? We don't want to raise the barrier to entry for them by requiring them to learn how to use more sophisticated/advanced package managing software like Synaptic. I think GNOME Software is *far* more friendly for first-time users than Synaptic. It's also a big improvement on USC so we can't go back to that either, and there aren't many other options in the way of user-friendly open-source software centers out there (I hear of AppGrid a bit, but that's not open-source; and there's Muon but we don't really want to drag in lots of KDE dependencies either, and GNOME is closer-related to Xfce since it uses GTK rather than Qt, though that wouldn't stop me supporting the use of Ubuntu Next apps in the future, if they're good enough).
So even if you oppose the 'dumbing-down' philosophy of GNOME (3), then GNOME Software is the best software center we can use, really, for the sake of user-friendliness. But personally I object to your opposition of GNOME's philosophy, sometimes apps need to be simplified, otherwise they would eventually all end up like KDEs apps: hyper-complicated and potentially confusing for new users.
If we want to attract more users from Windows and OS X then we need to ensure that Xubuntu is as user-friendly, and stable, as possible. I believe that this includes sticking with GNOME Software.
Regards,
Adam Eveleigh
I'm afraid I completely oppose this suggestion. I'm only a user, not a developer, but doesn't Xubuntu need to be as open to new users (from Windows and OS X, in particular) as possible? We don't want to raise the barrier to entry for them by requiring them to learn how to use more sophisticated/advanced package managing software like Synaptic. I think GNOME Software is *far* more friendly for first-time users than Synaptic. It's also a big improvement on USC so we can't go back to that either, and there aren't many other options in the way of user-friendly open-source software centers out there (I hear of AppGrid a bit, but that's not open-source; and there's Muon but we don't really want to drag in lots of KDE dependencies either, and GNOME is closer-related to Xfce since it uses GTK rather than Qt, though that wouldn't stop me supporting the use of Ubuntu Next apps in the future, if they're good enough).
So even if you oppose the 'dumbing-down' philosophy of GNOME (3), then GNOME Software is the best software center we can use, really, for the sake of user-friendliness. But personally I object to your opposition of GNOME's philosophy, sometimes apps need to be simplified, otherwise they would eventually all end up like KDEs apps: hyper-complicated and potentially confusing for new users.
If we want to attract more users from Windows and OS X then we need to ensure that Xubuntu is as user-friendly, and stable, as possible. I believe that this includes sticking with GNOME Software.
Regards,
Adam Eveleigh
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:47:56 -0400
Subject: RE: Gnome Software Center.
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What is Xubuntu's stand on including it now? Do we have to follow what Ubuntu feels is needed for its' user base? Many people like Xubuntu for its' hx. of working code. I liked nautilus until it got dumbed-down, except for it wanting to draw the desktop in Xubuntu but, that could be worked around. I think gnome-disks worked well for people until, it was dumbed-down too. Now are we going to see similar from GSC?
I think for the most part, Xubuntu users are savvy enough to know they can install GSC if they want. We have cli like dpkg, apt-get and the coming apt, aptitude and of course for gui Synaptic. I would like to see Xubuntu break tradition and, not follow Ubuntu and have Synaptic included as the gui for app installation in Xubuntu .iso
What say?
mikodo
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What is Xubuntu's stand on including it now? Do we have to follow what Ubuntu feels is needed for its' user base? Many people like Xubuntu for its' hx. of working code. I liked nautilus until it got dumbed-down, except for it wanting to draw the desktop in Xubuntu but, that could be worked around. I think gnome-disks worked well for people until, it was dumbed-down too. Now are we going to see similar from GSC?
I think for the most part, Xubuntu users are savvy enough to know they can install GSC if they want. We have cli like dpkg, apt-get and the coming apt, aptitude and of course for gui Synaptic. I would like to see Xubuntu break tradition and, not follow Ubuntu and have Synaptic included as the gui for app installation in Xubuntu .iso
What say?
mikodo
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