[TEAM] Clarifying the minimum requirements to install/try/run

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Hello,

based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking if
the council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a
discussion on the minimum system requirements – and changing them to
suit our needs better.

Currently, our website [1] says the following:

To *install* or *try Xubuntu* within the Desktop/Live DVD, you need
*256 MB* of memory, if you are using the /Minimal CD/, which uses
the non-graphical Debian Installer and downloads packages as you
install, you need 128 MB of memory.

*Once installed*, you should have at least *512 MB* of memory.

There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the
minimum requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match the
minimum requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at least)
three reasons to do this:
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less
memory than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB memory
will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even a
slim chance that 256MB is enough

Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the
minimal CD. Again, there are a few main reasons for this:
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still require
a minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want to avoid
confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu with as little
as 128MB memory

As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to
clarify the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.

If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to this
mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are made, I will
start the process to change this information on the website.

Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM
higher than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to
share them on this mailing list – but please start another thread.

Cheers,
Pasi

[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/

[flocculant]

Responses inline.

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking if
the council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a
discussion on the minimum system requirements – and changing them to
suit our needs better.
To *install* or *try Xubuntu* within the Desktop/Live DVD, you
need *256 MB* of memory, if you are using the /Minimal CD/, which
uses the non-graphical Debian Installer and downloads packages as
you install, you need 128 MB of memory.
*Once installed*, you should have at least *512 MB* of memory.
There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the
minimum requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match the
minimum requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at least)
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less
memory than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB
memory will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even
a slim chance that 256MB is enough

Agree that we should match those.

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still
require a minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want
to avoid confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu with
as little as 128MB memory

Well. Yes I can see the sense in doing this.

I guess we're forgetting about the Xubuntu Core iso idea then :(

Because that would have been a better swap in my opinion.

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to
clarify the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.
If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to
this mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are made,
I will start the process to change this information on the website.
Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM
higher than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to
share them on this mailing list – but please start another thread.

Starting another thread ...

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Cheers,
Pasi
[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ›http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member ›http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder ›http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member

[Pasi Lallinaho]

Mine as well...

Post by flocculant
Responses inline.

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking
if the council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a
discussion on the minimum system requirements – and changing them to
suit our needs better.
To *install* or *try Xubuntu* within the Desktop/Live DVD, you
need *256 MB* of memory, if you are using the /Minimal CD/, which
uses the non-graphical Debian Installer and downloads packages as
you install, you need 128 MB of memory.
*Once installed*, you should have at least *512 MB* of memory.
There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the
minimum requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match
the minimum requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less
memory than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB
memory will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even
a slim chance that 256MB is enough

Agree that we should match those.

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still
require a minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want
to avoid confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu
with as little as 128MB memory

Well. Yes I can see the sense in doing this.
I guess we're forgetting about the Xubuntu Core iso idea then :(
Because that would have been a better swap in my opinion.

Not forgetting at all – but since there's currently no mention of it,
and we still haven't got "official" ISOs out yet, it's probably better
keep it like this for now.

We can (and should) definitely mention Xubuntu core once it's out for
the public in its official incarnation.

Post by flocculant

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to
clarify the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.
If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to
this mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are
made, I will start the process to change this information on the website.
Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM
higher than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to
share them on this mailing list – but please start another thread.

Starting another thread ...

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Cheers,
Pasi
[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) ›http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member ›http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder ›http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member

[Bryan Quigley]

Shameless plug:
https://bryanquigley.com/memory-usage/ubuntu-16-04-livecd-memory-usage-compared

I believe I only did it to an accuracy in chunks of 128MB. (but it
should be pretty easy to reproduce / do your own more accurate tests)

Of course, many things may have change these results by now.. (new
kernels/ Firefox going multiprocess)

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking if the
council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a discussion on
the minimum system requirements – and changing them to suit our needs
better.
To install or try Xubuntu within the Desktop/Live DVD, you need 256 MB of
memory, if you are using the Minimal CD, which uses the non-graphical Debian
Installer and downloads packages as you install, you need 128 MB of memory.
Once installed, you should have at least 512 MB of memory.
There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the minimum
requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match the minimum
requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at least) three reasons
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less memory
than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB memory
will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even a slim
chance that 256MB is enough
Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the minimal
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still require a
minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want to avoid
confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu with as little as
128MB memory
As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to clarify
the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.
If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to this
mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are made, I will
start the process to change this information on the website.
Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM higher
than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to share them on
this mailing list – but please start another thread.
Cheers,
Pasi
[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) › http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member › http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder › http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member
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[Pasi Lallinaho]

Hello,

since there weren't any major disagreements, I've went ahead and created
a proposal for the new text in a pad at
http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-requirements-update

– Please note that the above suggestion INTENTIONALLYdoes not take the
potential bumping up the minimum memory requirement into account.
– This suggestion also does not mention Xubuntu core/base, but we should
definitely do that once it goes official.
– The recommended system requirements wording should be kept the same.

Any comments, or shall I take this live?

Cheers,
Pasi

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking if
the council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a
discussion on the minimum system requirements – and changing them to
suit our needs better.
To *install* or *try Xubuntu* within the Desktop/Live DVD, you
need *256 MB* of memory, if you are using the /Minimal CD/, which
uses the non-graphical Debian Installer and downloads packages as
you install, you need 128 MB of memory.
*Once installed*, you should have at least *512 MB* of memory.
There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the
minimum requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match the
minimum requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at least)
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less
memory than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB
memory will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even
a slim chance that 256MB is enough
Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still
require a minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want
to avoid confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu with
as little as 128MB memory
As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to
clarify the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.
If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to
this mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are made,
I will start the process to change this information on the website.
Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM
higher than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to
share them on this mailing list – but please start another thread.
Cheers,
Pasi
[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) › http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member › http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder › http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member

[Paul Sutton]

Not sure if it helps I amrunning xbuntu on a HP netbook -

inxi
CPU~Single core Intel Atom N455 (-HT-) speed/max~1333/1666 MHz
Kernel~4.4.0-59-generic i686 Up~2:37 Mem~490.1/988.2MB HDD~160.0GB(7.8%
used) Procs~177 Client~Shell inxi~2.2.35

lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
Release: 16.04
Codename: xenial


It works really well.

Paul

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
since there weren't any major disagreements, I've went ahead and
created a proposal for the new text in a pad at
http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-requirements-update
– Please note that the above suggestion INTENTIONALLYdoes not take the
potential bumping up the minimum memory requirement into account.
– This suggestion also does not mention Xubuntu core/base, but we
should definitely do that once it goes official.
– The recommended system requirements wording should be kept the same.
Any comments, or shall I take this live?
Cheers,
Pasi

Post by Pasi Lallinaho
Hello,
based on a discussion that happened a while ago, and after checking
if the council was OK with the general direction, I want to start a
discussion on the minimum system requirements – and changing them to
suit our needs better.
To *install* or *try Xubuntu* within the Desktop/Live DVD, you
need *256 MB* of memory, if you are using the /Minimal CD/, which
uses the non-graphical Debian Installer and downloads packages as
you install, you need 128 MB of memory.
*Once installed*, you should have at least *512 MB* of memory.
There are several things I'm proposing to change here. First, the
minimum requirements for installing or trying Xubuntu should match
the minimum requirements of actually using Xubuntu. There are (at
– It's very unlikely that somebody will install/try Xubuntu with less
memory than they'll have after they have installed the system
– The experience the user will get when trying Xubuntu with 256MB
memory will not be ideal, or even close
– To avoid confusion; we don't want to let people think there is even
a slim chance that 256MB is enough
Another thing I want to propose is the removal of the mention to the
– While the minimal CD can be helpful for some, it isn't Xubuntu
– Installing the Xubuntu desktop from the minimal CD will still
require a minimum of 512MB to run at least somewhat smoothly; we want
to avoid confusion and not make people think they can run Xubuntu
with as little as 128MB memory
As you can see from the argumentation above, the main target is to
clarify the minimum requirements and avoid any confusion.
If anybody has anything against the proposed above, please reply to
this mail within a week with argumentation. If no objections are
made, I will start the process to change this information on the website.
Another question that is related, but out of the scope of this exact
discussion is if we should make the minimum required amount of RAM
higher than it is now. If people have ideas about this, feel free to
share them on this mailing list – but please start another thread.
Cheers,
Pasi
[1] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) › http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member › http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder › http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member

--
Pasi Lallinaho (knome) › http://open.knome.fi/
Xubuntu Website Lead & Council member › http://xubuntu.org/
Shimmer Project co-founder › http://shimmerproject.org/
Ubuntu member